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Staying Human is the Greatest Skill
with Daniel Vitalis

As the digital world looms, this discussion is an exploration of built and natural worlds and how they impact us as a species. Daniel Vitalis, host of WildFed on the Outdoor Channel and formerly host of the podcasts Rewild Yourself and Wild Fed, joins Kate in a conversation that finds humanity at different points in time and with different viewpoints of time itself. It’s an exploration of the environments that shaped our species, from our hunter-gatherer roots, to agriculture, and into our dreams of launching ourselves into space. At this precipice that we find ourselves on, it’s more important than ever to consider how modern thinking has been shaped by our environments – the natural world, the built world, the socio-political world, and beyond. Nested in the conversation is an exploration of death’s role in connecting us to reality and to our food. Towards the end, there is a question around what skills we want future generations to know that we must keep alive today, as it’s not just multiple species that are on the brink of extinction. 

We also talk about:

  • Living in captivity and the degeneration of humans
  • How our thoughts and viewpoints might impact something like how we run or swim
  • Cyclical time 

Find Daniel:

Instagram: @wild.fed @danielvitalis @surthrival 
Website: WildFed, Surthrival 
Podcasts: WildFed, Rewild Yourself 


00:00:00: Kate introduces Daniel in her intro
00:09:16: Built vs Natural world 
00:22:48: A Space Race
00:32:50: Are we zoo animals?
00:43:22: Feeding hunter-gatherers
00:50:49: Cataclysmic events change humans
01:00:31: How we think influences how we do anything
01:07:50: Getting back to cycles: men, women, time, days of the week
01:24:20: Death is part of the cycle
01:39:52: Saving skills for the next generation

Other Great Interviews with Daniel: 

on the Align Podcast
On Luke Storey

(A Few) Favorite Episodes of Wild Fed:

Doug Bock Clark
Philippe Grenade-Willis
Dan Flores

Books Mentioned:

Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury
Ishmael by Daniel Quinn
Fourth Turning by Neil Howe + William Strauss
Ender’s Game by Orson Scott Card 


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